tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077075252525438159.post4738105835127242839..comments2023-10-22T02:35:41.216-07:00Comments on Citizen K.: Uva uvam vivendo varia fitUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077075252525438159.post-19816757844883217712010-02-03T15:18:45.896-08:002010-02-03T15:18:45.896-08:00Thanks for introducing and explaining the Greek el...Thanks for introducing and explaining the Greek element. Your overall interpretation is consistent with the themes of the novel. BTW, Anak, if you haven't read <i>Lonesome Dove</i>, it's a must.K.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10222703055177237209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077075252525438159.post-24370507330270875752010-01-31T13:25:13.355-08:002010-01-31T13:25:13.355-08:00There is a pretty easy explanation if you know als...There is a pretty easy explanation if you know also the Greek quote coming from Aristophanes.<br />"Botrus pros Botrun pepainetai, epi ton exisousthai philoneikounton."<br /><br />The first part (Botrus pros Botrun prepainetai) was translated into latin (Uva uvam Videndo varia fit). The explanation is that one person (a grape) is getting mature through contact with other people. That also can be used between friends, meaning that the character of one is builded through the contact with his friends. The discussion arise due to fact that the contact may lead to a good or bad person but due that may mean also that the contact with good or bad people lead a person to be good or bad. <br />Aristophanes add (exisousthai filonikounton) one more quote that the translation is "trying to become equal". That means that every person in a society or a company, under the interaction with the rest of the people or his friends,try to become and to be consider as an equal in the society that he's part of. The path he choose (the path of Virtue or the path of Vice, according the Greek/Roman Beliefs) is defined by his contact with specific persons (the grape touching rest of the grapes).Anakiklosishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12275791249961978651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077075252525438159.post-55593065622030239582009-11-16T12:13:32.128-08:002009-11-16T12:13:32.128-08:00That's a wonderful translation. Thanks for sha...That's a wonderful translation. Thanks for sharing it.K.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10222703055177237209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077075252525438159.post-3301386829005755712009-11-16T10:43:09.143-08:002009-11-16T10:43:09.143-08:00At the U of Iowa, I asked my Latin professor what ...At the U of Iowa, I asked my Latin professor what "uva uvam vivendo varia fit" and he said it meant "The grapes, by drinking the grapes, become different." I like that one a lot better but can't find any confirmation of it!!Jackiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00781996361232294367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077075252525438159.post-81085164134940753282009-07-27T12:49:29.190-07:002009-07-27T12:49:29.190-07:00Does Ellroy have a way with names or what? "D...Does Ellroy have a way with names or what? "Dudley Smith" sounds every bit the evil villain he is!<br /><br />As for the leap in writing skills, wait until you get to <i>LA Confidential</i>.K.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10222703055177237209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077075252525438159.post-70022854958408071362009-07-27T11:40:24.057-07:002009-07-27T11:40:24.057-07:00It's going good. I'm about 3/4 of the way ...It's going good. I'm about 3/4 of the way through "The Big Nowhere."<br /><br />The jump in the quality of the writing between "Dahlia" and "Nowhere" is pretty amazing given that they were published a year apart. I enjoyed "Dahlia," and thought that it was pretty well written, but "Nowhere" reads much more smoothly and is much more electrifying, in my opinion at least. I also felt like the big twist about 2/3 of the way through Dahlia felt a little forced.<br /><br />I think the most impressive thing about Ellroy's writing is how multifaceted his characters are. Buzz Meeks is probably my favorite character in "The Big Nowhere" just because there are those two amazingly different sides to him. At first you think that he's just a scummy, corrupt, ex-cop (which he is really), but then when he starts seeing Audrey you get this completely different side of him where he's this gentle, sensitive (crying even), loving man. You can't help but to have a soft spot for the guy, especially when compared to Mal, who seems like an upright citizen/good guy, until he beats the crap out of his wife when she tells him she's leaving.<br /><br />Dudley Smith is also shaping up to be a great bad guy, which I'm excited to see develop through the series.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07705727820213149832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077075252525438159.post-61659342012301036882009-07-27T11:37:25.556-07:002009-07-27T11:37:25.556-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07705727820213149832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077075252525438159.post-6844913273616445562009-07-26T22:57:36.157-07:002009-07-26T22:57:36.157-07:00How's the Quartet going?How's the Quartet going?K.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10222703055177237209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077075252525438159.post-24376813829798436512009-07-25T19:08:51.628-07:002009-07-25T19:08:51.628-07:00I still haven't gotten around to reading it, m...I still haven't gotten around to reading it, maybe I'll pick it up once I'm finished with the "L.A. Quartet."<br /><br />The exchange between Call and Gus is definitely one of the best moments in the movie.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07705727820213149832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077075252525438159.post-14857984304845192662009-07-23T18:31:57.792-07:002009-07-23T18:31:57.792-07:00Going on my list...Going on my list...Scrumpyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12963135920577462855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077075252525438159.post-65375694513818912542009-07-23T08:54:56.958-07:002009-07-23T08:54:56.958-07:00Funny I only read one of his books, Texasville,and...Funny I only read one of his books, Texasville,and loved it. Something to look forward to I guess. I have a similar mantra that I derived from the intersection of Zen and 12 step theory : "Don't worry about having all that you want, just make sure you want what you have." Peace.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077075252525438159.post-55136542140741701112009-07-23T08:04:21.287-07:002009-07-23T08:04:21.287-07:00What happens to Lorena (and other women) is so gra...What happens to Lorena (and other women) is so graphic and prolonged I'll never be able to read <i>Lonesome Dove</i> again. It triggers depression for days.<br /><br />This I do not know, but I have heard people of Native American descent insist that not even Commancheros -- is that who Blue Duck was, I don't quite recall -- treated women that way. But I don't know.<br /><br />Love, C.Foxessahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06754083123669916994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077075252525438159.post-44497390490758489952009-07-23T06:19:49.195-07:002009-07-23T06:19:49.195-07:00It's McMurtry's best, a legitimately great...It's McMurtry's best, a legitimately great novel. I want to reread it next year.K.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10222703055177237209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5077075252525438159.post-22618368827137085002009-07-23T06:13:54.789-07:002009-07-23T06:13:54.789-07:00Good post.. I too love Lonesome Dove, and always t...Good post.. I too love Lonesome Dove, and always thought it was neat how they interacted and learned to love each other while they grew up, even as they aged. It is a wonderful story. I think one of his best, if not his best.Annettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16344077085109588258noreply@blogger.com